November 17, 2004

  • According to an academic report on the chances of the exit polls being as wrong as they were, the odds are a practical impossibility of 1 in 250,000,000.

    http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/ale04090.html

    Did you know that in the swing states, the exit polls, which are historically very accurate (when elections are fair), were outside the margin of error in every case but Wisconsin where they were dead on?  In every case, the errors favored Bush, even in states that Kerry won.

    What's the chance of that? (1 in 250,000,000).

    This is not a party issue.  This is not about who your candidate is.  This speaks to our system of government and democracy itself.  Our system is what protects our freedom.  The system matters much more than who is leading it.  There is ample concern that this election was not fair, and an investigation needs to resolve the issue, and a verifiable system needs to be put in place for the future.  But that's not to say that we simply worry about the future.  This happened in 2000 and now in 2004.  Now is the time we need to challenge an unfair system, for as Martin Luther King, Jr. once said, "'later' invariably means 'never'."

    I believe that it is an imperitive that we do not accept these results until they can be verified and until abnormalities that suggest fraud are explained.

    In my view, anyone who does not demand a verifiable fair and honest election is unpatriotic and a coward.

    And anyone who conspired to thwart the democratic process, including those Bush supporters who do not demand a fair and accurate accounting after the fact, are traitors.

    That's telling it like it is.

Comments (13)

  • Amen, brother. It's the primary indicative of the levels of apathy and impassivity that our country has descended to: there is no conscious support for 'correct', 'right', or 'fair', any longer. It's a shift in the cultural paradigm that promises EMPIRE.

    I'm not gonna flee yet, but I won't go down w/ this ship, either.

  • I feel disenfranchised... or they misunderenfranchised me. haha!

    interesting post

  • I read the same article on truthout.org.  Perhaps that is why I cannot let go and WILL NOT let go.  I guess 2004 was the year that this hippie chick from WI got political.  Oh the friends that are going to hate me!

    Anyway Pro....I was trying to research past election exit poll results with the last 2 elections, but I am not having a lot of luck.  Please if you ever do run across any info detailing this please let me know.

    PEACE!

  • I hear you on this all the way -- BUT, what can anyone do when the opposition candidate that was presumably wronged refuses to pursue the issue? The best chance for fair resolution was for Kerry to say "screw mended fences" and commit to pursuing this to the fullest extent. That he didn't want to be Al Gore X2 and drag this into June 2005 is understandable, but he really let everyone down in the process, and now I'm not sure there's an influential change agent out there to take this to Oz. We are facing the end of credibility as a virtue in this country, and there's no opposition faction positioned to thwart the decline.

  • What do you think of Jeb in '08? Has a nice ring to it, don't you think? It's obvious the Bush family knows how to win the elections...

  • Herzog - amazing that you don't hear this on any of the major news networks, but apparently there is going to be a recount in Ohio, which was requested not by the democrats but by the greens and the libertarians, who apparently also have that right!  And Ohio hasn't been certified yet!

    There are also challenges in Nevada, from an individual, and in New Mexico, and a couple of other states, I believe.  Not that I'm holding out a lot of hope, but I quess I have to admit to a little "wouldn't it be great" thinking.

  • I heard that about Ohio, but apparently the challenge must wait until December when Ohio's vote is officially certified. I don't understand the timing. Seems like the system is geared to accept challenges but only well after their result will make any difference.

    mightyjo -- you're a funny guy. I remember when I used to confuse bravado with wisdom, too. Good luck with that.

  • Herzog - hmm.  I'm not sure the challenge is the same thing as the recount, but maybe.

  • remember that was just a Tv Channel that decided the 1st victory in 2000....

  • Check this out: http://ucdata.berkeley.edu/

  • oddly enough the odds of my voting for Bush were exactly 250 million to 1

    Pete

  • Herzog, I remember when I didn't have a sense of humor either, good luck with that.

  • I sometimes wonder how much longer til Civil War.

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